I've served in the Young Women organization for our LDS ward for the past two and a half years. Because I am around teenage girls a lot, I hear a little of what is going on in their schools. Usually I am not pleased with what I hear, most recently concerning the high school dance situation.
Girls talking in the back of my car on the way home from a mutual activity:
Girl 1: "So, who are you going to prom with?"
Girl 2: "Oh, I don't know. I haven't asked anyone yet."
Me, from the front seat, appalled: "What do you mean!? Isn't it a boy's choice dance?"
Girl 2: "Yeah, but the boys aren't asking any of us. So we will just ask them."
(Here, I took the time to teach the girls a little about not being so forward and letting the boys take some responsibility. Even if it means missing prom.)
And last week I was talking with a darling 16-year-old girl. I asked her if she had been on any group dates or dances. She said no and reported that most of the dances at school are girl's choice. (Unlike the girl in the above conversation, this one isn't much interested in asking the boys to dances. I don't blame her! I didn't love it either. It is the boy's job to ask a girl out. So why don't we get out of the way and let them man up and do it?) I'd like to verify the information* before I get too upset, but she told me five of the dances are girl's choice and two are boy's choice. I thought it was silly enough in my high school when we had half and half. I don't doubt that they make more money and have better attendance at girl's choice dances. Meanwhile the fabric of society is falling apart, no thanks to the high school dance schedule.
Am I in the twilight zone? What's wrong with the boys? What's wrong with the girls? (What's wrong with the high school?) I say there are problems on all parts. Girls are too forward, leaving the boys to be lazy. Growing up, my parents had a rule that we were not to call boys just to chat. (They could call us and we could talk for 15 minutes or so.) I think this rule is actually a great one. If girls are calling, or texting, boys all the time the boys will surely see that they can sit back and still get all the female attention they could want - and probably even much more than they care for. Some may think this is all harmless, but I see it as a dangerous trend in society. It's bad news. And if you heard some of the messages from General Conference this past weekend, you too know this is a serious problem.
What can be done about it? I guess it has to start in my own home. Call me old-fashioned, but I think we will carry on my family rule of girls not calling boys. (And if boys call girls, no need to talk at length. A 15 minute chat is sufficient and fun.) I'm not crazy about the cell phone idea all together. I don't like the constant texting that goes on. Maybe my kids will be some of the few teenagers without cell phones, so be it. And as for dates and dances, Jonny and I plan on teaching our son (sons? Only time will tell. This is not an announcement!) to take a girl out on a date every now and then. Sure, our girls can ask a boy out a few times to specified girl's choice dances. But I sincerely hope and pray these will become the exception on the high school dance schedule. I think I will write a friendly, concerned email to Westlake High right now. It's gotta start somewhere.
I guess that's enough ranting for now. I just wonder what the world will be like in 10 years, 15 years. I bet my family will be old-fashioned. We will be peculiar. And shouldn't we be? Times are changing. Long-standing, worthy, moral traditions are being neglected. How thankful I am to know of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. That way, I don't need to fear the future, but I can have faith and do what it takes to prepare. Good luck to us all! It's not going to be easy.
*CORRECTION: I just received a return email from an administrator at the high school. My teenage friend's facts were indeed exaggerated. There are actually three girl's choice dances (Sadie Hawkins, Sweethearts, Morp) and two boy's choice dances (Homecoming, Prom). He says it is set up this way to balance out the costs. I say it is still unbalanced in the wrong direction, equality of costs set aside. Prom doesn't have to be so ridiculously expensive. And furthermore, life's not fair. Boys spend more money on dating, girls do all the hard work of bearing children later in life! (Not to mention all the annoying female things we have to put up with most of our lives.) Not the best comparison, perhaps, but the point is that things don't and shouldn't always equal out. I'm terribly archaic, I know, but I believe in traditional gender roles. Things won't be equal and fair between men and women after high school, so why skew their perspectives now?
Monday, April 4, 2011
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Amen! What is the world coming to if in Utah Valley we have problems? I won't even tell you what I heard in my back seat about what goes on during the "dances" around here.
I feel like we had great friends in high school that were raised properly and treated us like the ladies we were. I can only hope my sweet Ruby has the same luck. And yes, my boys will most definitely be taught the proper ways of courtship.
I'm sure I complained about mom and dad's rules at times, but tried to always respect them, and I think we turned out better for it. Now you can be sure I'll do the same for my kids!! There is just so much more technology like facebook, texting, etc. where the old fashioned rules are incredibly hard to keep up with out a definite line to cross. Ugh. Heaven help us and our children. We're going to need it!
It is funny how we felt those rules were silly and didn't do anything significant as we complained and argued about them growing up, but seeing it from this perspective as a parent completely changes things for sure. Those poor young women having to ask boys to PROM of all dances!! My senior year, I was nearly dateless for Prom, and accepted my fate (though a very nice boy stepped up at the last minute and saved my Senior Prom)but I would have NEVER thought of asking someone! Those Utah boys should try dating OUTSIDE of happy valley, and then see how good they have it with a huge amount of beautiful, virtuous young women to choose from.
Those conference talks made it very clear about dating and hanging out. Perhaps you can use that in an upcoming lesson?
Do you remember how much those dumb forward girls hurt all our chances for dating all the boys at BYU (we never did get a chance with "The Brett's")? Although I seem to remember one instance where a girl asking a guy out (much to her utter dismay) turned out alright...
I totally agree with you though. Glad I am married and don't have to deal with all that non sense anymore, and sure hope I can teach my kids to avoid such non sense.
Ha! You got me there, Linds. But it WAS NOT A DATE, as all in attendance that night can agree. Still, I am happy I went way out of my comfort zone to ask Jonny to join us that day. After that, though, the ball was completely in his court. And I mean completely!
I agree completely! I've noticed how some of the girls in our neighborhood are very "forward" with the boys. I'm not just talking about being a little flirty-- Some girls are really, really forward. That is worrisome. When she's that forward when she's a young teen, what happens when she gets a little older? Every girl wants the boys to notice her, but it seems that it's much more than that now.
Your post reminded me of a lot of Conference talks from this weekend. Maybe your next quarterly youth fireside could be on this.
I agree about the cell phones. Tait (who's 8) has friends with cell phones. It's nuts! Parents say it's so they can reach them at anytime and it's for their safety. I say it's lazy parenting. Make your kid accountable for coming home to check in and making sure they tell you where they are. Plus, kids are doing more with those phones than just checking in with mom. I heard from a friend that her son (8) came home and told her that a boy was showing a picture of a "naked lady" on his phone, at recess.
So I say, go ahead and raise your kids with old-fashioned values and rules. All these "new ways" aren't doing our kids any favors.
Yeah, ball was in my court for over a year until I finally convinced you to marry me. I am quite disappointed with the boys today. And this dance thing is an example of an underlying problem.
As President Monson pointed out in his talk in priesthood, boys need to take the initiative.
I love this that Elder Oaks said: "Men have the initiative, and you men should get on with it...Young women, resist too much hanging out, and encourage dates that are simple, inexpensive, and frequent. Don’t make it easy for young men to hang out in a setting where you women provide the food. Don’t subsidize freeloaders. An occasional group activity is okay, but when you see men who make hanging out their primary interaction with the opposite sex, I think you should lock the pantry and bolt the front door."
As a guy, I will say that I thought forward girls were a total turn-off! A little nudge in the right direction is fine (thanks, Wife, sorry I was a bum for a little while), but like Jonny said, the ball belongs in the boy's court. Of course, if guys these days are lazy and cowardly, I guess they might like the totally effortless attention. But I agree this trend is very disconcerting. I thought it was fine back in the day when we had half-and-half dances too, but now it's just not balanced.
Also, NO ONE needs a cell phone in junior high (or younger). It might be nice to borrow your mom's in high school when you go on a date, but even then it's just not necessary. We did just fine without them! I'm sure our kids will have a different high school experience than we did, but there are some things that just don't need to change with the times.
(I think this is just another symptom of how the rising generation is kind of spoiled and has a sense of entitlement, but that's another story!) Yeesh, boys, buck up and do your thing!
Costs, schmosts. What a cop out. Boys these days act more and more like sissies. I can't get my scouts to commit to annyyytthhiiinnng. Even if an event starts in 10 minutes, I'll get a "Probably, I'm not sure yet" when I ask if they're going.
Love it Melody!! 100% agree!
Great post. I never asked a guy out, but then again I was shy with that sort of thing. Good thing James had no problem in that area!
It is a tough job to raise great men who value women and the roles that are unique to each when the world is telling them there are no differences between them. I am thankful for great Conference talks to reference later on when Carter is older!
Oh my WORD, it's because of COSTS? That's crazy. CRAZY! Insane. They are ridiculous. There is no reason to be FAIR in love and war. Very silly. I agree. It's ridiculous. And it sounds like even the 2 boys choice are really girls choice anyway, so it's not at all "fair." They are ridiculous.
LOL- this is kind of funny because I always wished there were only girl's choice dances because I never got asked to any boy's choice dances :) But I totally agree with you, chivalry is dying! My little sister asked her to a formal dance and I thought, this is wrong. PS I ran into your old flame Jeff Zwick the other day :) Haven't seen him since graduation, 7 years ago! We are old. I love your blog. Thanks for letting me visit it :)
I totally agree. I think boys like it when girls aren't so forward anyway. They like to be the man in the relationship.
I think we will be a "peculiar" family as well. I really respect the rules your parents set. I am sure we have similar ones in our home.
... and don't get me started on texting. Ugh.
that is crazy, and I agree with you. We will be the weird family too. Maybe we should hook our kids up...wait, Gabe & Ellie, unless Julia likes younger men. :)
Amen!!! All I can say is ditto! You don't even want to hear of some of the things I have heard from my Young Women here in Albuquerque, it's a crazy world and unfortunately just getting crazier. All we can do is raise our kids right and hope and pray they respect that.
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